by Jay Johansen | Jan 29, 2006
My local paper had a column recently by an atheist attacking televangelists. The gist of the article was that televangelists are all in it for the money; they're frauds and charlatans; and of course the writer pointed out some of the scandals, like the televangelist who was caught patronizing a prostitute.
I had two reactions to this article.
The first is to laugh at the hypocrisy of atheists and secularists. When a Christian leader fails to live up to the standards he professes, they are quick to not only condemn the individual, but to insist that all Christians must share the blame, indeed to say that this casts doubt on Christianity in general. But when one of their own leaders has moral failings, they never accept responsibility for his actions. Stalin was an avowed atheist. He ordered the murder of at least 17 million people. Yet I have never once heard an atheist hang his head in shame and say that this is a crime for which all atheists must share the blame, or even that atheists have some obligation to explain how the philosophy that they claim is so superior to Christianity could nevertheless produce such a monster. Or if you want something a little closer to home, I'm sure you recall the recent scandals of Catholic priests sexually abusing young boys. We heard endless commentaries on how this disgraced the Catholic Church, with plenty saying that this proved that Christianity was a sham. The Catholic Church accepted responsibility for the actions of these men, and took steps to prevent further offenses and to offer some amends to the victims. But … these abusers were not only Catholic, they were also homosexuals. They were, after all, men who abused boys. I never heard one TV commentator say that these incidents proved that homosexuals were all dangerous child molesters. I never heard one representative of a gay rights group accept responsibility for these crimes. When a homosexual Catholic does wrong, all Catholics must share the blame … but of course it would be unfair to say that this proves anything about homosexuals.
But my second and more profound reaction is, "Well, duh!" As a Christian, I believe the Bible. Nowhere does the Bible say that we should expect our leaders to be perfect. Quite the contrary, we are continually reminded that they are fallible, sinful human beings just like the rest of humanity. All of them will have their faults. A few of them will prove to be spectacularly bad.
I don't know of any statistical studies on the ethical performance of the average Christian leader compared to that of the typical secularist leader. It was, after all, big news that a televangelist was consorting with prostitutes precisely because such behavior is very rare and therefore shocking. It is not big news when a Hollywood type consorts with prostitutes. But in any case, the difference between Christians and secularists is that when secularist leaders fail, they make excuses for them. They tell us that their leaders' ethical failures don't really matter because, after all, sometimes you have to be dishonest to make it in such a corrupt system, or because everybody lies about sex, or they angrily reply that we are only criticizing their leader as part of a plot to undermine the important work this person is doing. When Christian leaders fail, we don't make or accept excuses for their actions. At the least we expect them to accept responsibility and show some remorse before they can be forgiven and restored. If their offenses are serious enough the church may say that while they can certainly be forgiven on a personal level, they have forfeited their claim to authority.
The Bible tells Christians to look to God for their example, not to fallible humans. That's why Christians ask "What Would Jesus Do?", not "What Would My Pastor Do?", "What Would George Bush Do?", or even "What Would Britney Spears Do?"
© 2006 by Jay Johansen
Rosineide Jul 24, 2014
And yet again PY puts the Energizer Bunny to shame, he just keeps on going!And because he just keeps on going, those who've been with him from the start have seen where the csuroe leads and it's not the same csuroe Paul was on! Hahah by far. Ask wife number 1, or 2, or any of his kids, or Rick Ciamaterro (head of OBFF the ministerial organization that yanked his membership Wait, I have a link for that! Richard C Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:18 am Peter Youngren was asked to leave the open bible faith fellowship 4 years ago by myself. His credentials were pulled at that time and he will not be re-instated to the fellowship. -Taken from ), We could ask a former Dean of Students (who also left PY and his antics), let's see who else can we ask? Maybe (edit names have been removed at personal request and with permission of commenter BD) former students who LEFT after I got kicked out), hmmm, I can keep going all day with NAMES of people who KNOW exactly what PY is all about. How do they know? Because they've seen the FRUIT of his ministry first hand. AND THIS FRUIT STINKS!Why don't we tally up the failed marriges that came out of NCC?I was there by the way, at the service where he admitted to the scandal of adultery and stepped down . Neither of those things were really explained in detail at all. It was more like Well, you've heard the rumors, and well, they are true. And because of that I am stepping down for a short while from certain aspects of my ministry I think he stepped down from being Head Pastor for what 3 months? He never stopped doing ANYTHING else he does. Why? Because he's putting the Energizer Bunny to shame!And so as PY continues to jet set around the World, collecting all the passport stamps and various flags he can, we will continue to have the newly converted to Peter Youngrenism and all the souls Peter Youngren has saved in foreign countries (wait does PY save souls?) completely blindsided and taken advantage of by their own trust in a so-called man of God (which one?) But he will protest I GET SOULS SAVED!!!Do you Peter? Do you really? Because I'm not entirely sure.Shall we talk aboutt he photoshopped pictures? Shall we talk about the definition of salvation ? But he will protest I sell my books! I take donations! The evidence of my ministerial success is in the fact that I CONTINUE DOING IT!! Look at the SIZE OF MY MINISTRY! You just have ministry envy!Is that it Peter? Or is it that just like we've seen right here in this blog, you prey on the ignorant and rely on the good hearted masses for your funding. For your fix. For your injections . For your booster shots of $$$$$$ Stick it in my veinnnnssss! Praise wait, what's his name again? Is it YeZeus? No.. that's not it . uhhhhh .. God doesn't have money, people have money! HOW many times has EVERYONE who's heard you preach say that? It's on Gra$eTV right now! Anyone who has eyes can see you PY. I need your MONEY!!!! So people have money, and who's the best at getting PEOPLE!???!?YOU are! Preach that Go$pel brother! Get more people! But how can you get More more more? I know, get a TV station! Keep travelling the world and holding gospel festivals ! Ye$! That will work!Putting the Energizer Bunny to shame. One un-educated crowd at a time.He called me a cancer in front of my classmates at his sad excuse for a bible college back in 2002. If I am a cancer what is PY's ministry? If I am in fact a cancer Peter, then this is the part where you need Chemo.
MICHAEL FARGO Dec 4, 2014
yOU KNOW IF YOU CANT NAME NAMES WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING SUIDE. THEN YOU BETTER KEEP YOU MOUTH SHUT. ALL IT COMES OF AS IS RESENTMENT & BITTERNES. AFTER ALL YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEART WHAT YOU PUT ON YOUR LIPPS.. GOD HAS AND WILL TAKE CARE OF THE OTHER'S... REMMBER HEBREWS 6:1-13. THEREFORE LEAVING THE ELEMENTARY TEACHING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST, LET US PRESS ON TO MATURATY, NOT LAYING AGAIN A FOUNDATION OF REPENTANCE FROM DEAD WORK OR OF FAITH TOWARD GOD. 2. OF INSTRUCTION ABOUT WASHINGS AND LAYING ON OF THE HANDS AND THE RESURECTION OF THE DEAD & ETERNAT JUDGEMENT. 3. AND THESE THINGS WE WILL DO IF GOD PERMITS. 4. AS FOR THE CASE OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN EN-LIGHTENED, AQND HAVE TASTED THE HEAVENLY GIFT AND HAVE BEEN MADE PARTAKER'S OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. 5: AND HAVE TASTED THE THE GOOD WORD OF GOD AND THE POWER OF THE AGE TO COME. 6: AND THEN HAVE FALLEN AWAY. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RENEW THEM AGAIN TO REPENTANCE, SINCE THEY AGAIN CRUCIFY TO THEMSELF'S THE SON OF GOD AND PUT HIM TO OPEN SHAME. (7&8 YOH SEF).
9. BUTT BELOVED, WE ARE CONVINCED OF BETTER THINGS CONCERNING YOU. AND THINGS THAT ACCOMPANY SAVATION. THOUGH WE ARE SPEAKING TO YOU THIS WAY, nOW LISTEN. "LISTEN!" 10: FOR GOD IS NOT SO UN JUST AS TO FORE-GET YOUR WORK AND THE LOVE (YOU) HAVE SHOWN TOWARDS HIS (NAME), IN HAV9ING MINISTERED AND (ARE) STILL MINISTERING TO THE SAINTS.
11. AND WE DESIRE THAT EACH ONE OF YOU SHOW THE SAME DILEGANCE SO AS TO REALIZE THE FULL ASSURANCE OF HOPE UNTIL THE END.
READ THRU TO THE END YOURSELF.
I SUGGEST DELEATING ALL THIS SITE NO MATTER THE MONETARY COST. MTHE ETERNAL ONES WAY ECCEDE THE POCKET BOOK.
YOUVE STARTED THE REPENTANCE PROSSESS BY TURNING AWAY FROM THE SIN. NOW STOP POINTING FINGER'S AND GO THE REST OF THE WAY AND SIN NO MORE. OUR ONLY CONCERN NOW IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THRU CHRIST.